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#1 OFFLINE   stolenmoment

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 05:34 AM

I have to say Subaru is outdoing themselves on publicity for their upcoming PHEV.  Of course, it sounds like it has essentially the same (EV) specs as the CMax Energi, and the press is trumpeting it like it's fabulous new technology.  They are even using the same Toyota transmission tech as the CMax, and the battery intrudes into the cargo volume, which is being downplayed.

 

I'm thinking that the reduced range is due to both aerodynamics and a more complicated drive train; the battery is close to the same capacity.

 

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 06:37 AM

The car from what I have read has very limited EV range.  I am still hoping for a 50 mile EV range car that does not cost a fortune.

 

Does not sound like a good plan to me just marketing.

 

The new Hybrid has the usual Subaru 2.0-liter flat four gasoline direct-injection engine, but it is mated to a heck of a transmission. In addition to the patented Subaru Lineartronic CVT component, perhaps the best CVT on the market (which might not be saying much), it has, inside the trans case, two motor/generators. In a deal similar to that which produced the perfectly wonderful BRZ, where the fuel injection was from Toyota, in this case, Toyota contributed much of the Crosstrek PHEV's electric componentry, specifically the two motor/generators. MG1 sits closest to the bell housing and generates electricity to charge the Crosstrek Hybrid’s 8.8-kWh lithium-ion battery pack. It also acts as the starter motor and generator for the 2.0-liter flat-four gasoline engine. MG2 makes electricity to drive the wheels as well as charges the battery during regenerative braking. Altogether the engine and generators make 148 hp.

Yes, that’s less than the regular 2.0-liter flat fours in the regular Crosstreks, but only four hp less, and the Crosstrek Hybrid returns 35 mpg combined versus the regular car’s 29 mpg; when you look at the whole drivetrain including the batteries and electric motors, the Hybrid is rated at 90 MPGe. It has a total range of 480 miles and it’ll go 17 miles on electricity alone, which ain’t bad.


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Posted 29 November 2018 - 09:14 PM

25% decrease in cargo space with hybrid  option, the 8.8kWh battery is larger than the C-Max 7.0 but only has an EV range of 17 miles while the C-Max has 21,  The CrossTrek combine 35 mpg is less than what the C-Max was last rated at but has AWD feature.  The size of the CrossTrek will limit the potential size for the hybrid battery pack.   



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Posted 29 November 2018 - 09:23 PM

Air/cabin cooled hybrid battery pack is no different than the C-Max​.



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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:45 AM

Yes, the marketing is what I was cheering about, not the car itself.  The car's drivetrain doesn't have any innovations over the CMax.

 

If Ford had pushed the CMax Energi as much, sales would have been much higher.



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Posted 30 November 2018 - 07:00 AM

Eh. I wouldn't completely praise the marketing yet. We don't even have any off the factory floor yet. And given the history with the first Crosstrek hybrids and the VERY poor design and execution there, I reserve the right to be skeptical of the PHEV version. It mostly sounds like a Prius Prime AWD at this stage.



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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:10 PM

148 hp total system power​, that is 40 less than the C-Max.    some photos:

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 10:14 PM

The Cmax, as far as MPG and range, is unbeatable for me.  Some tell me what car can go over 700 miles on a full tank of gas and 1 charge, and also net a lifetime average for me in the 70's mpg?

 

It really really is top notch even though it was developed 6 years ago its still a leader in performance and technology.

 

-=>Raja.


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 07:52 AM

The car from what I have read has very limited EV range.  I am still hoping for a 50 mile EV range car that does not cost a fortune.

 

 

Isn't that the Volt?



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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:26 AM

Isn't that the Volt?

 

Considering what I've seen of the existing ICE Crosstrek, it probably gets damn close. Rear seat legroom is about the same and headroom and cargo space isn't too far off. The only thing of significance you really lose is the AWD which, personally, I think isn't a premium worth paying for unless you live out in rarely-plowed sections of BFE.



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Posted 08 December 2018 - 01:20 PM

Isn't that the Volt?

The Volt is too bare bones for me, I have a budget that does not go high enough for any of the big buck cars or a full EV, but I also have a list of options that I want in a car.

 

Dual zone AC. Leather Seats and Adaptive cruise control.



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Posted 08 December 2018 - 02:43 PM

I'm weighing my options for years from now when these new models are used and low enough in price I'd consider them.  Realistically it will likely come down to which one is cheapest unless life changes favor one over the other.  At my house, Yeah, I've made it with the C-Max, but it's at least as bad in the snow as the Prius ever was and there are times when I can't make it up my hill even with snow tires, so I have to plan the sledding of the ups and down hills to make it around an alternate route, and make sure not to miss the driveway coming down from the other side!

 

So, I'm basically at:

Outlander PHEV - Sounds like more room, similar EV range to Max, but *probably* less gas MPG.  Though, the couple reports I've found(harder to find the US stuff) say they were getting closer to my C-Max's 35ish mpg).

 

This Crosstrek PHEV, which would be similar gas MPG to my Max, but a bit less EV range.

 

The Prius AWD-E.  Which has the AWD disadvantage of only working up to 43MPH.  ZERO EV range, but gas MPG blows the others out of the water at 50MPG...

 

 

So, yeah, they've each got their pluses and minuses...



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Posted 08 December 2018 - 06:15 PM

Here is a sneak shot"

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