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#21 OFFLINE   Levi Smith

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 05:43 AM

I compared the CMAX to the Mitsu Outlander PHEV.  The Outlander was a lot roomier and more comfortable, and more expensive when considering I got a 10K discount from Ford for leasing my 2017 CMAX.  What made me go away from the Outlander is it only gets 26 mpg on the gas engine, so on long trips you will be using a lot more gas. I have seen a lot of much higher mpg numbers for the Outlander, but they are the "inflated" mpg where you mix battery and engine operation so the battery inflates the overall mpg.  I focus on about 40 mpg with the CMAX on the highway and 26 with Outlander. And yes, you can do a lot better with various techniques, but you can't escape the basic gas mileage on long highway trips.

 

Yeah, this is kinda where I'm at.  Though My C-Max MPG is generally around 35MPG.  I'd have to average around 45MPH to get 40MPG while running the gas engine.

 

But it's the same as it's been.  Trying to choose between AWD, Electric range, highway MPG, reliability etc.  No one makes a car with the right combo.  At the moment I think I'm heading towards the Outlander to gain back my much missed AWD and keep similar EV to the C-Max(which isn't enough).  And just normal MPG on gas... 

 

Though if I end up with a different job and a longer commute again, I'll probably be back in a Prius.

 

I just about need a 3 car garage for my desires with the current options...  Keeping cost as a factor, I'd take a Leaf for generally all of my commuting at the moment.  Then a Prius for the drives out of Leaf range and then probably a CRV, RAV4 or Subaru for the bad winter days.  I could probably get the 3 of them for $15K total.  But then there's all the NY taxes, registrations, inspections, etc. and my wife wouldn't be too fond of all the extra vehicles(though we're going to be there in another 10 years when the kids get older).  And my experience is that most cars don't enjoy sitting around for more than about 3 days without increasing problems.  I left Max out in the yard for 3 days a couple weeks ago and there was some definite work to get the rear brakes clunked free and then some miles before they cleared off.

 

Of course if cost weren't a factor an AWD Tesla would probably cover just about all of my needs...









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#22 OFFLINE   fotomoto

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:25 AM

For all the AWD/snow folks, Subaru will be adopting the Toyota Prime tech to its boxer 4 engine for a new plug-in in the 20-30 mile range.  



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:28 AM

For all the AWD/snow folks, Subaru will be adopting the Toyota Prime tech to its boxer 4 engine for a new plug-in in the 20-30 mile range.  

Yes, this will be a consideration for me in another 5-10 years(as the used prices come down) as well.

 

What remains to be seen are the actual numbers.  The last Subaru hybrid was iffy on actually getting better mpg than their other normal models.  And it still sounds like head gaskets are potential issues.



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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:48 AM

I was interested in the new plug in Subaru.  My wife likes its looks.  Its that or the Mini Cooper Countryman plug in hybrid.    I hope the Subaru comes out this year.

 

-=>Raja.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:17 AM

We can't use the PHEV Crosstrek; my 6'2" son can't fit in the back seat.  Now, a 30-mile-range PHEV Forester, that'll work for us.



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:47 AM

We can't use the PHEV Crosstrek; my 6'2" son can't fit in the back seat.  N

 

Did you try the new 2018 redesigned crosstek?  Maybe it has more headroom?  According to the specs I can find, it has 38 inches while the cmax comes in at 39.4.  

Here's a nice demo of a 6 footer getting in it: https://www.caranddr...d-driver-page-5

 

FWIW


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#27 OFFLINE   GlennR

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:12 AM

I'd like a few more of the safety features like adaptive cruise, lane notification, blind spot warnings, ...  Of course, a better battery range would be welcome too. Currently, the battery range isn't an issue but our commuting distance will change in a couple of years and we won't be able to be all electric on trips for shopping and the like. 



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 05:25 PM

Just got a 2017 CMax and still have the 05 Escape Hybrid (4WD computer controlled) that runs flawlessly.   The 2020 Escape Hybrid is to arrive and might once again feature a 4wd version.  A flatter and larger cargo area than the CMax is a must as will be 4WD as I see myself moving northward for retirement.



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 09:29 AM

I like my C-Max, quieter and better ride than the Prius. Since they discontinued the C-Max, I would have to go with the Prius plug in, and up the trim level, approximately the same EV and better hybrid mpg, and not as much lost cargo space. I thought I'd like the Volt, but after trying one, I decided it was too hard to get in and out of due to high door sill and low roof, liked it otherwise. If I go car shopping again, it will probably be a long process, lots to choose from and I'd hate to go backward in MPG.


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 07:08 AM

If they had a CMAX in manual and added a wagon option, I wouldn't look at anything else.    The CMAX Energi would have been a perfect setup for a wagon.

 

But I also like rowing my own and loved my HCH with a manual.  You gain so much more control over the car with a manual.



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Posted 04 February 2019 - 02:24 PM

Really?  One of the things I like best about the C-Max is the utterly smooth power; it's juggling three power sources.  How would you blend any two of them with a manual tranny?

 

And yes, I drove stick for decades and enjoyed it very much.



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Posted 05 February 2019 - 08:09 PM

Ford drops the gas tank and engine and puts in a 250 mile battery.

 

 

Probably why I am so interested in the Kia Nero EV. Hopefully there is one at the Chicago Auto Show next week.



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Posted 05 February 2019 - 08:19 PM

The Cmax is a perfect car for me, I wouldn't have it any other way :)  I even bought it again!!

 

-=>Raja.



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Posted 05 February 2019 - 08:52 PM

Really?  One of the things I like best about the C-Max is the utterly smooth power; it's juggling three power sources.  How would you blend any two of them with a manual tranny?

 

And yes, I drove stick for decades and enjoyed it very much.

This. I really have fallen in love with the eCVT design and just how smoothly it operates. It's the primary reason why I am disappointed with the design choices they went with when building the Explorer hybrid. And it is where I think the likes of the Volt, Clarity, and Outlander PHEV stood out not only maintaining an eCVT or eCVT-like design but also adding useful options like a serial hybrid mode. Going backwards to a single motor mated to a traditional automatic or manual is just a lazy design option IMHO.



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Posted 07 February 2019 - 10:48 AM

what I would like in my next vehicle is an honest battery guarantee/warrantee.   when the car loses its battery capacity to X-amount of kilowatts, it will be replaced, no questions asked. No begging and arguing required.  We have bought these cars on the promise/expectation that they will be able to provide a certain distance till the car is totally worn out.  Instead, the original battery capacity (as advertised) is right at 7kw, shortly thereafter max battery capacity is 3kw. There is no way we will be able to get the same distances we originally got, no matter how much skill we have gained along the way.

 

As it seems to stand now, unless there is an error on the dash indicating bad HVB, its not likely or easy to have a weak battery replaced.   

 

This is all the changes I would need to buy another C Max or similar car.  Of course the newer high tech capabilities are a plus, however without the battery system being addressed, I am going to be very cautious.   Also, without a better battery replacement warranty in place, all of our current cars are going to take a big hit in resale value.  No one will want them knowing that its near impossible to get the battery serviced/replaced even within its warranty period.



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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:23 PM

what I would like in my next vehicle is an honest battery guarantee/warrantee.   

 

This would've been my response … until an F250 rear-ended my 2013, and the insurance company totaled it for not-quite-enough money. I bought a (used) 2016 CMax Energi as the replacement. I had to use additional funds and give up on a couple features from the original, but I replaced the 3.7-9kwhr batt with a 5.2, and I get 200+ mpg to a tank. Technically, I got a replacement battery for less than $2k, but I don't recommend the method.

 

I just couldn't find anything else to match the overall gas savings... for the money anyway (and both jeers and a thank you to Ford for building a car that soooo quickly depreciates).

 

I still think it's a crap warranty and crap battery design/implementation (and crap car company that won't stand by its products or its customers), and I still don't recommend the car to most people (just to a few with massive caveats). I just couldn't argue with the savings... for the price. 

 

That said, without the accident: I wouldn't have bought another Ford... pretty much ever. I would've driven the 2013 until it was a hybrid, and then just a normal car. And then, a little longer. Assuming it lasted that long.



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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:43 PM

 bsheaffer,

 

How did you get a replacement battery?  Are we talking the ENEGI model?

 

you mention you get 200+ mpg per tank. Sorry, I dont understand this. by any chance is this a typo?

 

I am always on the lookout for some sort of battery replacement and I want to be sure I fully understand what and how you did it.

 

Thanks

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 06:38 AM

Sorry for the confusion...

 

 

How did you get a replacement battery?  Are we talking the ENEGI model?

 

My 2013 CMax Energi was totaled, so I got a replacement "entire car". It's a 2016 now, but it's still a gray CMax Energi and nearly identical to my original. I don't recommend the method, but I did, in effect, get a new battery (well, newer battery) by way of a new car. It was just an arduous (and painful!) way to get it... and Sync 3. 

 

One nice thing I will say about Ford: the pickup that hit me (a 90s-era F250), caved in the back and bent the frame... but the crumple zone protected the battery; it was undamaged and drivable. They protected the battery from accidents, just not from actual use.

 

And to be clear: I would not have bought another Energi (or Ford at all) if I hadn't been forced to replace the 2013 too early in its life … or if I'd had enough cash to buy a different, newer plug-in. The other plug-in cars open to me with the insurance money were crap (the original plug-in prius, for example, was about 10 miles on battery … but if you even breathed on the accelerator, it'd kick on the engine) (plus, they depreciated a little slower than the CMax Energi … grumble grumble … prolly because there weren't that many, maybe). I was not going back to pure ICE.

 

you mention you get 200+ mpg per tank. Sorry, I dont understand this. by any chance is this a typo?

 

That's just my average mpg per tank (based on actual miles to fillup; although I've only filled it twice since I got it, and it's been cold). My work commute (to and from) is just within the newer car's battery range (in warmer weather anyway, just barely outside the range in cold), so on most days I just charge once overnight and don't touch the gas. The old car would be ~50-30% charge left when I got to the office (warm outside temps vs. cold); this car has ~65-50% remaining.

 

Actual mpg once the battery is depleted is, of course, much less. (And I never got into the whole MPGe thing).

 

Hope that makes more sense.

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Edited by bsheaffer, 08 February 2019 - 06:55 AM.


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Posted 08 February 2019 - 10:17 AM

They protected the battery from accidents, just not from actual use.

 

:lol: 



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Posted 09 February 2019 - 07:33 AM

 bsheaffer

Thanks for the clarification, it all makes sense now.

 

your battery facts/humor are spot on :thumbsup:


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