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[Axtrader]

I have owned only Ford cars for the last 32 years, learning to drive in a 1966 Mustang 6 cylinder coupe. I have owned 4 Mustangs, 2 Sport Tracs, Expedition, Ranger, 2 Fusion Energi's and a C-Max Energi. Never purchased any other brand. I was proud to buy the American Ford brand my entire life and I will forever own and cherish my 1966 Mustang GT convertible. But last week I purchased a Tesla Model X and will not buy Ford again going forward. This coming summer, I will trade the 2013 C-Max Energi for the new Model 3.
I am disappointed in my C-Max Energi as it now barely holds 4kw charge (10 miles range). When other car companies warranty 70% battery capacity, Ford wont tell us their warranty threshold.
I am also disappointed that Ford will build all of their Electric vehicles in China in a few years. I never want to buy a Ford vehicle built in China.
My first Mustang was built by Ford in San Jose CA and my future cars will be built a few miles north in Fremont, CA. There is no comparison... The future is electric and autonomy... and the US will continue to lead that revolution.

Edited by Axtrader, 29 December 2017 - 07:33 PM.

[ShoulderThingThatGoesUP]

I get it. Thinking about a Model S with rear-facing seats, hoping the cost of used ones falls a lot in 2018 as more Model 3 deliveries get going.

[marlowefamily]

I agree with you that many consumers are not going to pay big $ for high end cars manufactured outside the USA (with, perhaps German/Italian cars being the exception).

 

That said, I don't see Tesla as a real competitor at the moment.  Their cars are too expensive and I hate the minimalist interface that is over reliant on big tablet type screens to do anything.  The C-Max got it right with 3 separate main displays, plus a few dedicated gauges and lots of buttons.

[bschwerdt]

Congrats on the Teslas.  I'm sure they will be life-changing.

[ptjones]

I just don't see it until you can go into a Gas Station switch out HVB in ten minutes like a fill up. Just not piratical for over 200 miles, It takes way to long to charge and I average about 700 miles on a tank, long time before Teslas  have that range. IMO

 

Paul

[bschwerdt]

For each his own, Paul. When I travel, it's with kids.  We have to stop every 200 miles (3 hours) for a half-hour bio break anyway.  Might as well charge the car back up.

 

If that doesn't work for you, then a PHEV like the Energi is a great alternative.

 

In the meantime, the BEVs will get longer range and faster charging.  As a result, they will appeal to more and more buyers.

[ptjones]

For each his own, Paul. When I travel, it's with kids.  We have to stop every 200 miles (3 hours) for a half-hour bio break anyway.  Might as well charge the car back up.

 

If that doesn't work for you, then a PHEV like the Energi is a great alternative.

 

In the meantime, the BEVs will get longer range and faster charging.  As a result, they will appeal to more and more buyers.

The other big issue is price which will also have to come down.  You can go 200 miles on half an hour charge.? Having an Hybrid I'm not use to looking for charging stations, In my travels across country I don't notice many so that could be a problem. I do know that there are lines at peak travel times.   It is 209 miles from El Paso to Pecos, TX, if you had an head wind it might be difficult to go that far, you think? Just something to think about before buying a cross country EV. 

 

Paul

Edited by ptjones, 09 January 2018 - 12:47 PM.

[bschwerdt]

No, my car cannot go 200 miles on a 30 minute charge.  GM advertises 90 miles in 30 minutes, although in theory it looks more like 100.  The current long-range Model 3 can, however, travel 200 miles on a half hour charge.  The technology exists, and I suspect several options will be available within 5 years.

 

Regarding finding charging stations "in the wild", you won't.  Not unless you look hard for them.  Today's EV traveler really needs to use a tool such as PlugShare to find charging.  That too is likely to change in the next 5 years, thanks in no small part to Electrify America (i.e. VW's penance for diesel-gate).

[epic]

im similar to poster.not a lot of ford in my future.the energi goes to thenew driving daughter.i have a bolt andthe wife a model x.ford has lost me .not buying any china junk if possible & certainly not a car.

[Axtrader]

Sold the 2013 C-MAX Energi for $12,200 with 52,2000 miles on the odometer. Very interesting buyer. I sold the CMAX to a Factory Certified Tesla Autobody repair facility in San Diego whose customers are demanding loaner cars with an HOV sticker like their Teslas. The Tesla autobody shop operates a small fleet of Ford CMAX Energi's to service the Tesla community who are in for autobody repair.

I recently received an invitation from Tesla to configure a Model 3 and will be placing my order shortly. Our 2016 Fusion Energi will go to our daughter as she geos away to college. We will also keep the 2003 Expedition as the beater mobile with ICE. We wont be buying any more gas powered cars in the future... there is nothing more enjoyable than electric torque, traffic aware cruise control, autosteer and never having to visit the dealership again. Thank you Elon and Tesla! Our Model X is simply a car from another planet and look forward to the same with the Model 3!

Edited by Axtrader, 23 April 2018 - 04:09 PM.

[stolenmoment]

Wow, that's a whole new market for used Energis!

[dontfret]

Sold the 2013 C-MAX Energi for $12,200 with 52,2000 miles on the odometer. Very interesting buyer. I sold the CMAX to a Factory Certified Tesla Autobody repair facility in San Diego whose customers are demanding loaner cars with an HOV sticker like their Teslas. The Tesla autobody shop operates a small fleet of Ford CMAX Energi's to service the Tesla community who are in for autobody repair.

I recently received an invitation from Tesla to configure a Model 3 and will be placing my order shortly. Our 2016 Fusion Energi will go to our daughter as she geos away to college. We will also keep the 2003 Expedition as the beater mobile with ICE. We wont be buying any more gas powered cars in the future... there is nothing more enjoyable than electric torque, traffic aware cruise control, autosteer and never having to visit the dealership again. Thank you Elon and Tesla! Our Model X is simply a car from another planet and look forward to the same with the Model 3!

Now a new market for my 2013 NRG in San Diego?!?!  But the green (and white) stickers expire 1/1/2019.  Under the new extension to red stickers, you can't re-sticker a previously green-stickered used car unless it was first stickered in 2017 or 2018.

[WheNRG]

I just don't see it until you can go into a Gas Station switch out HVB in ten minutes like a fill up. Just not piratical for over 200 miles, It takes way to long to charge and I average about 700 miles on a tank, long time before Teslas  have that range. IMO

 

Paul

For a Tesla check out https://abetterrouteplanner.com/  or just look at the Tesla web page to get locations for super chargers and route planning.  They show you how to make long distance drives and how long to charge at each location.  Most long trips will be segments of 100-200 miles with less than 1/2 hr charging stops in between. If you compare it to a googlemaps route it will take you a bit longer, but google doesn't account for gas, food or bathroom stops, which you can accomplish while charging.  Overall driving a Tesla will add very little to a long distance drive, unless you are the type that does a splash and dash and eats while driving.   

[ptjones]

For a Tesla check out https://abetterrouteplanner.com/  or just look at the Tesla web page to get locations for super chargers and route planning.  They show you how to make long distance drives and how long to charge at each location.  Most long trips will be segments of 100-200 miles with less than 1/2 hr charging stops in between. If you compare it to a googlemaps route it will take you a bit longer, but google doesn't account for gas, food or bathroom stops, which you can accomplish while charging.  Overall driving a Tesla will add very little to a long distance drive, unless you are the type that does a splash and dash and eats while driving.   

I usually go 400 miles between stops with a range of 650 -700 miles per tank.  I go 800 -1000 miles a day when traveling and that would be hard to do in a Tesla and CMAX Hybrid gets better FE than NRG. My usual stop is around 15 min, stopping is a waist of time.  

 

Paul 

[spirilis]

You must have an iron back!

[ptjones]

Maybe their good seats.   You Think

 

Paul

[GTIguy]

Anyone committed to the Tesla lifestyle/dream/cult wouldn't be swayed by my opinion, but here it is. Nothing wrong with the Tesla except its poor build quality, the parent company's absurd tolerance for risk, the distracting CRT user interface, autopilots that may try to kill you at random, the thin charging infrastructure, the high cost, and the sedan bodystyle. Other than that, they're perfect. Have fun with yours.

[Axtrader]

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Anyone committed to the Tesla lifestyle/dream/cult wouldn't be swayed by my opinion, but here it is. Nothing wrong with the Tesla except its poor build quality, the parent company's absurd tolerance for risk, the distracting CRT user interface, autopilots that may try to kill you at random, the thin charging infrastructure, the high cost, and the sedan bodystyle. Other than that, they're perfect. Have fun with yours.

We cancelled our Model 3 reservation and purchased a Model S 100D. And as you say... "Committed" to the best car I have ever owned,

[rbort]

Chi ching, 100 grand right there eh?!

 

-=>Raja.

[Billyk24]

Telsa's range in the cold winter weather has to take a hit.   Those of us in the real winter weather region have experienced, noted or heard of 20-25% decrease in electric range during such weather.   Something to consider if your live in such a region.