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2013 Cmax SEL Energi vs 2017 Cmax Titanium Energi


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#41 OFFLINE   sporkinum

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 07:10 AM

I would much rather sacrifice 20-25 miles of EV range volt vs cmax and double the gas range.  Plus the room, etc is perfect.

 

The Cmax you don't have to use the battery excessively in the summer, just use more engine and save the battery for the winter time.  Anyway there are a limited amount of miles and charges you can get out of a battery, why use it all up within the first 4 years using the battery hard if you can use it not as hard in the summer and stretch its good life to 8 years?  You know what I mean?  In other words, don't buy this car to be used as 100% electric all the time, it was never designed for that.

 

Plus, I really like the technology and creature comforts inside.

 

-=>Raja.

 

We put pretty low miles on the car, 6000 miles in 9 months. The battery and whole car should last us a long time. I have a new electric vehicle on the way from China, so fewer miles on the car soon. https://meepoboard.com/









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#42 OFFLINE   rbort

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 06:54 PM

Are you going to commute with the Meepo?  Maybe like Michael J Fox is Back to the Future?

 

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#43 OFFLINE   sporkinum

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 07:15 PM

Are you going to commute with the Meepo?  Maybe like Michael J Fox is Back to the Future?

 

-=>Raja.

Yep. Already commute on a longboard. This is so I can be lazy sometimes. It's also twice as fast as I can push.



#44 OFFLINE   viajero

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 05:24 PM

I had always intended to trade in my C-Max before it got more than 4 or 5
years old, so over the last year or so I researched and test drove various EVs
- Bolt, Volt, Audi A3 E-tron, Prius Prime, Optima PHEV, BMW I3, even Pacifica
  Hybrid.  I wanted more electric range, but in the end, the C-Max was just
too awesome to give up, so I traded mine in for a new 2017 model.  $2900 cash
from Ford on top of heavy dealer discounting helped, too!

After driving the 2017 for a few days, here are my additions/further thoughts
on what rbort wrote in the original post.

The air dam under the front has been replaced with two little ones in front of
each wheel.  The old one harmlessly but noisily scraped every time I drove my
steep driveway, or parked with the wheels bumped to those little concrete
mini-curbs.  The new one does not.

The new driver assist package is mostly good.  It has some sort of rear-side
sonar so when I'm backing out of a parking spot it will announce "Car
approaching from the right!"  That I found quite helpful.  The blind spot
warning is a little orange light in the side mirror which lights up when a car
is in your blind spot.  But, they got rid of the old built-in convex mirror.
I'd rather have the mirror.  Don't see why they couldn't keep both.

The dashboard panel doesn't quite line up with polarized sunglasses.  The old
car was perfect; they new one has a slight yellowish tint unless I tilt my
head sideways somewhat.  Still easily legible, though.

The ICE seems quieter, or at least the new car does a better job of noise
cancellation.  I never hear the muffled lugging sound at low RPM that I often
heard with the old car.  At high RPM it doesn't seem to buzz as loudly,
either.

The air conditioning is MUCH quieter, and more efficient as well.  Even
after sitting around in a 90 degree parking lot, it only starts up at about
1.5 bars on the climate display and quickly drops to 0.5 bars.

The battery cooling might be better.  I say might be because I didn't have the
Scangauge to monitor battery temperature when I very first got the old car.  When I
did install the Scangauge about 6 months in I saw the battery temperature
easily push the 113 F limit after just two full charge/drive cycles in a day.
Yesterday I ran the new car through three full charge/drive cycles, two of
them largely at highway speeds, and the battery temperature only went from the
low 80s to 100 F.

The new car battery also cools off a few degrees while charging, which the old
one never did.  Again, the battery self-heating got really bad after several years
on the old one, so I'll have to see how the new one does over the first few
months.

The old car had an option to not turn on the dome lights when the doors open.
I really liked this, but it doesn't look like it can be done with the 2017
model.  On a related note, the 2017 owners manual still shows the 2016
lighting buttons, so no help there.

The 2013 had door unlock sensors on the insides of the rear door handles.  The
2017 does not.  I didn't realize until it was gone that I use this feature
every day, sometimes multiple times.  I often store stuff in/under the rear
seats, or clip/unclip a towel over the drivers seat when I get dirty or
sweaty from running, climbing, etc.  This has been frustrating and will take a
while to unlearn.

rbort already mentioned the different climate control buttons.  In my opinion
it's a huge improvement.  Most buttons are a little bit bigger, especially
the EV mode button, which makes them easier to push with less distraction to
find them.

The blacked-out trim on the side vents helps with the chrome reflection in the side
window that so many people complained about on the original C-Max.

The infotainment system doesn't completely suck anymore!  That's a whole
'nother post...

Here are some pictures of the little doo-dad on the side of the rear glass.  Not
sure if it's just decorative or aerodynamic somehow.  I don't often drive in
snow, but when I do, frost collects on the rear window worse than any other
car I've driven.  Here's hoping it helps with that.

 

 

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#45 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 09:10 AM

Well I finally test drove 2017 Titanium NRG, called the Dealer and they did have the car, would pull it out, check it out and make sure the battery was charged.  WADE FORD is 45 miles away so it takes close to an hour to get there and when I arrived they had the car there, but HVB was empty so I couldn't EV :( .  Without EV the car doesn't accelerate as fast as my 2013 CMAX Hybrid and you can feel the extra 250lbs in the back which effects handling.  I drove around on City streets (45-35mph) for about 10 miles and got 39.4 mpg. :(  OT was about 55*F, car had 233 mi. on it and I'm guessing it had never been charged, trip gauge had 34.7mpg to start with and I got it up to 35 mpg. I tried to go in to EV now but it wouldn't let me and stayed in AUTO.  I didn't remember the HVB being so big also. :(  I'm disappointed in what they have done to the Smart Display, no chevrons to start with. :(  You would think the dealer would keep NRG's charged so potential customers would know how it drives in EV. :headscratch:   Disappointing experience and the Dealer didn't help either, the whole reason for going up there was to drive in EV now.  BTW I averaged 55.6mpg going up and back in my car.

 

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#46 OFFLINE   marlowefamily

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 04:38 PM

What convinced me to buy the 2017 was the blindspot information system and associated sensors -- my two sons are getting near old enough to drive and I think the way the BLIS is so active, it will help them quite a bit in learning to avoid minor dings and accidents.  It seems to provide useful info quite frequently....letting me know if someone is driving crossways to me when backing out in an area I can't see, or when I'm parking in a tight indoor parking lot...verifying that the front right of the car has sufficient clearance.

 

In any case, I finally reached 37 miles EV range on my 2017.   Electricity is expensive where I live($24 cents/KWH), so there isn't that much savings driving EV versus hybrid...but to save the most $, I turn on ev-later whenever I'm driving in an area that has modest inclines and using EV now for areas that are flat or in anyway downhill.  I'll probably put in a big solar electric panel + powerwall battery system for the home in a few years, once I move the pool solar heating panels off the roof to a hill.


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#47 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 26 November 2017 - 07:41 AM

I'm wondering if My aerodynamic Mods would increase the EV range, I might try doing the test drive again with fully charged HVB with Grill Covers on and 50 psi in the tires. :smile2:

 

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#48 OFFLINE   rbort

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Posted 26 November 2017 - 08:19 AM

Paul, Glad to see that you're test driving the Energi!!! It will be alot more fun to drive for you :)

 

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 12:12 PM

Just bought a 2015 C max energy could you please tell me if the plug-in battery is normal to go from a full charge to zero charge overnight in cold weather (30 degree)? Also when using EV later does the battery dissipate as well when not using Electric or hybrid mode?
Thanks for any help I can receive!

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 04:11 PM

No not possible. You mean from 100% down to 0% when not in use?? Something is wrong with the car there unless you left it on overnight.

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 12:38 AM

Thank you! That’s what I thought but the dealer is telling me that cold weather can totally drain the charge on the plug in battery!!!

Edited by Amkis, 03 January 2018 - 12:40 AM.


#52 OFFLINE   Levi Smith

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 08:15 AM

Also when using EV later does the battery dissipate as well when not using Electric or hybrid mode?
Thanks for any help I can receive!

 

If you use EV later the battery % should "aim" for the percentage battery charge you had when you went into EV Later(but no more than 95%).  But it will go up or down by maybe 5-10% of that charge.  It's basically doing hybrid mode at that point.  So if you had 80% charge and you turned it on you could possibly see 75% charge or 85% charge very easily.

 

I'm not sure of the max swing but definitely not more than 10% lower.  But be aware that it will switch off EV later every time you shut the car off, so depending on your driving it could easily drop over time with different trips.



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Posted 03 January 2018 - 08:40 AM

The HV battery in my wife's Escape Hybrid does show up as empty first thing in the morning, but that's a different beast.  My Energi doesn't lose more than a few percent charge when parked, even in this cold.



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Posted 04 January 2018 - 09:18 AM

Thanks to you all for the informative replies!

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 09:43 AM

I do know from my own experience if the charge is depleted down to hybrid mode ('2D' battery icon with no mileage indicator inlay), the charge will drop a noticable amount after letting the car sit for a little while. This is certainly normal. Just normal battery operation and the fact the hybrid mode is a much smaller section of the battery so fluctuations will show much easier. However for the actual EV charge ('3D' battery icon with mileage inlaid on it) that is definitely not right especially if going from full to zero. That is a LOT of energy to be dissipating into thin air.










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