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#21 OFFLINE   rbort

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 05:54 AM

Just came back from my long range trip to Indiana and back.  My buddy Ansy was following me there with his 2013 Cmax and we found out that the new 2017 Cmax gets around 3 mpg more on average for each segment of the trip.  I searched through my phone and found the trip to Indiana from last year with my 2013 Cmax.  Below are the pictures, see for yourself.  I did go into the ET screen and pull out the fuel burned for the 2017 Cmax for this trip, shows 33.91 gallons.

 

The trips are very similar, same exact destinations pretty much and the length of the trip is exactly the same amount of days.  Varied only by 28 miles over 2k miles.

 

Bottom line is, the 2017 Cmax gets better gas mileage than the 2013 version  :happy feet: And I still had 10% HVB when I got home last night meaning I burned a little bit too much gas -- new strategy I don't like to burn the battery climbing hills if the engine is hot.

 

-=>Raja.

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#22 OFFLINE   ptjones

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 07:58 AM

That's great! I didn't understand your comment " new strategy I don't like to burn the battery climbing hills if the engine is hot." :headscratch: 

 

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 08:53 AM

If the engine is already hot (that is, it won't keep running after it's needed), go ahead and use it to climb hills instead of sucking the battery dry.



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 10:28 AM

Yes I'm in front.  We're cruising at 65, most people are passing me all the time in the left lane, even trucks, so not really drafting anyone.

 

I have to say I'm impressed!  The MPG numbers all day long were averaging over two and many times closer to 3mpg better.

 

He burned like 19.2 gallons of gas, going about 900 miles, I burned 16.7 gallons going almost the same distance about 10 miles less than him.

 

When I finally filled up my tank all the way in Lima Ohio, I got 648 miles range.  He filled up his, same gas station, got 606.  

 

I burned the battery nice and easy the last 50 miles of the trip, going between Auto and EV later about 100 times.  Auto every level section or downhill, EV later for any inclines.   This morning it showed 36 miles range.  We drove 100% EV today, about 24 miles, and didn't recharge during the day plugged in now to recharge at 3am.

 

A picture is a 1000 words, so check out the logs from the Cmax's in MFM below.

 

-=>Raja.

I noticed you got a better driving score, what does that mean?

 

Paul



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 10:46 AM

Paul,

 

If the engine is warm or has been used, then ignite it to climb the hill and go back on battery at the summit.  Using the battery to climb the hill:

 

a) drains it fast and

b) puts alot of stress on it and makes it temp rise faster.

 

If you're running with no engine (100% EV trip), then you have to use the battery to climb a hill.  However, if you are running in hybrid mode, never use the battery to climb any hills.  Yesterday I drained the battery without hills, and its showing next charge estimated range of 47 miles due to this.

 

As far as the driving score, its based on 3 things:

 

Your acceleration,

Your braking, and

Your speed.

 

We were driving pretty much the same speed, though if he fell behind he probably stepped on it harder to catch up.  That hurts your acceleration score and your blue bar for that.

 

Braking, if you don't get 99% braking for the trip or 100%, then your driving score drops.  A 98 brake score will mean 98 driving score max, and lower the lower the driving score.  You only get 1 mistake with braking, meaning a 99 brake score, and you can still get 99 driving score on a 100% EV trip.

 

Once you speed up past 40mph, the speed is too high and your driving score drops, from 99 downwards.  If you drive 65mph, its impossible to get a driving score higher than in the 80's.  

 

Hope this helps explain it.  Basically he was more harsh with his driving, hence the lower driving scores.  Lower scores means less efficient, and hence less MPG as well.

 

-=>Raja. 


Edited by rbort, 09 August 2017 - 10:47 AM.


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Posted 09 August 2017 - 11:36 AM

Is it possible to figure out how much MPG's he lost because of driving score?  Also do you know if there was a difference in OT between the 2 trips you made that could account for some difference in MPG's for your 2 trips? Sorry just trying to cover all the bases. :smile2:

 

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Posted 09 August 2017 - 12:42 PM

I was wondering why your mileage is so good. I got around 42-45mpg driving to Oklahoma and back, but a fair amount of that trip was at 65-75 mph. Probably would have been 45-48 ish with a new C-max.

 

Braking, if you don't get 99% braking for the trip or 100%, then your driving score drops.  A 98 brake score will mean 98 driving score max, and lower the lower the driving score.  You only get 1 mistake with braking, meaning a 99 brake score, and you can still get 99 driving score on a 100% EV trip.

 

Once you speed up past 40mph, the speed is too high and your driving score drops, from 99 downwards.  If you drive 65mph, its impossible to get a driving score higher than in the 80's.  

 

Hope this helps explain it.  Basically he was more harsh with his driving, hence the lower driving scores.  Lower scores means less efficient, and hence less MPG as well.

 

-=>Raja. 



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Posted 09 August 2017 - 03:05 PM

Paul,

 

Hard to say, it was a year ago, the same week in August or there abouts.  Maybe slight differences, but nothing to write home about.  I think the new 2017 does better than the old 2013, I've proven that with having Ansy follow me all the way there and back and comparing instant MPG, average MPG and gas burned.

 

I was mowing the lawn and thought about this Paul, you need to sell your Hybrid and buy a 2017 Energi.  It would open up so many doors for you, having a battery to make choices with is WAY nicer than being stuck in hybrid mode 100% of the time.  You could even make new videos on how to driving the Energi, I'm sure you would enjoy that as well.   I did some but haven't really promoted them like you do, I think you really like getting views the Energi has your name all over it waiting for you!!

 

Sporkinum, I drive the car a certain way, I take my time to accelerate, in fact I wait for a downhill to pickup speed to 65mph, otherwise I'm at 2 bars waiting for the speed to get up there.  Little things like that, strive for 100% brake score, etc.  I also have the gas pods on my roof, I was pretty sure they made a difference in the past, so I continue to use them.

 

-=>Raja.



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Posted 10 August 2017 - 08:10 AM

It would be great if I could get rid of the HVB bump in the back. :smile2: My Life Time just went up to 49mpg with 159.6k mi. and I need to fillup so I'm hoping my Fuelly will go up to 48mpg. :happy feet:  I was thinking of renting a new Hybrid for next trip, putting Grill Covers and wheel covers on and see what MPG's I get. :headscratch:

 

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 09:45 AM

Does the hump really bother you that much?  Just imagine, you can add 20mpg more to your lifetime with a HVB hump.  I had 69.4 on mine after 4 years and all electricity I got was free due to charging on the road at free stations or at home on solar panels.  So the bottom line was 69mpg vs 49mpg with yours in hybrid mode all the time.

 

I don't think they rent Cmax cars, I haven't seen that as of yet.  Too expensive for the rental world I think, but maybe its different in your area.

 

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 10:00 AM


I don't think they rent Cmax cars, I haven't seen that as of yet.  Too expensive for the rental world I think, but maybe its different in your area.

 

-=>Raja.

Try Turo



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Posted 10 August 2017 - 11:15 AM

Try Turo

I just looked and there is a 16 NRG available not too far from me.


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Posted 10 August 2017 - 12:59 PM

Looks like it will take some serious looking. I did rent a FFH 2.5 yrs ago.  My Fuelly just went up to 48 mpg. :happy feet:

 

Does the hump really bother you that much?  Just imagine, you can add 20mpg more to your lifetime with a HVB hump.  I had 69.4 on mine after 4 years and all electricity I got was free due to charging on the road at free stations or at home on solar panels.  So the bottom line was 69mpg vs 49mpg with yours in hybrid mode all the time.

 

I don't think they rent Cmax cars, I haven't seen that as of yet.  Too expensive for the rental world I think, but maybe its different in your area.

 

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:38 AM

Raja, if I may ask, what made to go with another Energi versus something else like a Bolt, Volt, i3, etc.? I'm curious.

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 09:01 AM

I loved that car so much I thought about it 20 different ways until Sunday but decided I would be disappointed if I got something else.

 

I did test drive the new Toyota Prius, was not overly impressed, not talking mpg performance but just the car in general look and feel.

I don't like the volts, I feel like I'm sitting in a coffin, its just too low and claustrophobic for me.

BMW I3 hate the range, too small of a tank, and I don't like the 1 foot driving.

 

Nothing beats a Cmax for range, I really enjoy the fact that I can fill up in MA and not have to fill up until I get to NC or IN. 

 

I agree I had the opportunity for change, but I was afraid I would be forever disappointed with something else, none of which available today seemed to be better for me personally.

 

-=>Raja.


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Posted 25 August 2017 - 04:16 AM

Thanks for the info. I feel the same about the Volt. I have two kids and the bigger they get the less likely they'd be able to sit in the back. That's what drove me to the Energi.

I'm going to Richmond next week from Philadelphia and expecting to do the trip on one tank. :)

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 05:19 AM

Remember on the 2013, if you keep the engine running on the highway rather than letting the car charge and discharge the HVB you will get higher MPG numbers, should be like 45 to 50mpg once you are at +2% of the EV later set point.  You should be able to net 48mpg at 65mph with only 1 charge used in traffic.  I did get 48.4 mpg with mine all the way from Boston nonstop to Fredericksburg, a distance of 500 miles.

 

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 05:22 AM

I was sold on the Volt, due to electric range, battery quality, and general high-techness. My wife has arthritis however, and the volt would not have worked for her. The C-Max was the other vehicle I was looking at, and I wasn't sold until we actually sat in one. It had as much interior space as our old Cadillac STS had. We love the car. Now if Ford could get their hybrid system to work as well as GMs' they would really have something.



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 05:26 AM

I would much rather sacrifice 20-25 miles of EV range volt vs cmax and double the gas range.  Plus the room, etc is perfect.

 

The Cmax you don't have to use the battery excessively in the summer, just use more engine and save the battery for the winter time.  Anyway there are a limited amount of miles and charges you can get out of a battery, why use it all up within the first 4 years using the battery hard if you can use it not as hard in the summer and stretch its good life to 8 years?  You know what I mean?  In other words, don't buy this car to be used as 100% electric all the time, it was never designed for that.

 

Plus, I really like the technology and creature comforts inside.

 

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 06:11 AM

When i was looking to get my C-MAX i tested the 2017 Malibu Hybrid , which supposedly has the same power train as the new volt, but less battery.

I will say it has a bit better performance, it felt like driving an electric car, and the gas was just there to keep the battery charged.  Example, when you go WOT, the power to the wheels is instant, no waiting for the gas engine to spin up to go fast.

The Malibu Hybrid did seem more eager to turn on the ICE vs the C-Max is more eager to use battery at lower throttle points.

 

The Malibu felt like a boat compared to the C-Max however, and was pricey.










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