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Lug Nuts-19mm not fitting one wheel


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#1 OFFLINE   ISU_Cyclone

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 07:00 PM

Long story short, I picked up a brand new Ford Fusion spare tire on eBay for $75. Wanted to confirm everything fit before it was ever needed in an emergency. For some reason, the 19mm socket fit every lug nut except the ones on the rear drivers side tire. They all look exactly the same, but these 5 seem to have expanded or bulged to make the socket too small to fit. First, anybody know what may be the cause? And secondly, can I get any set of 19mm lugs or do they need to be a certain size? (depth/length)

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#2 OFFLINE   cwstnsko

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 05:11 AM

You may have gotten an especially tight 19mm socket, have you tried a 3/4"?  Mathematically, it is 19.05mm. 

Most sockets on the market are loose enough in there tolerances that the 2 sizes are effectively the same.  I'm not sure whether Ford officially classifies it's lugs as 19mm or 3/4"



#3 OFFLINE   fotomoto

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 05:12 AM

Weird.  I personally rotate my own tires and all the lug nuts are the same.    Have you ever had your tires serviced?



#4 OFFLINE   ISU_Cyclone

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 07:49 AM

The socket I have is technically labeled 3/4-19mm, so it should work on both. I just find it strange that all 5 lug nuts of one wheel won't fit my socket, but the other 15 fit perfectly.

I did have a flare tire while driving to northern Wisconsin, hence the spare tire purchase. That tire was replaced by a shop, but it was the passenger rear. My socket won't fit the driver rear. If I can get these things off I'll just look for replacements

#5 OFFLINE   timwil56

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 01:29 AM

Perhaps the caps are slightly larger, or have expanded.



#6 OFFLINE   ISU_Cyclone

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 06:24 PM

I found some information online that lug nuts can expand if overtightened. I called my dealership and they advised they could get them off and replace them...for a fee of course

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 07:51 AM

I use a torque wrench and tighten to 101 ft lbs.



#8 OFFLINE   patbob

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 06:43 PM

I found some information online that lug nuts can expand if overtightened. I called my dealership and they advised they could get them off and replace them...for a fee of course

Do you happen to have a link?  I'd like to read for myself how they explain them expanding instead of stripping.  All I could find were stories of how a cap over the nut might expand from rust under the cap.

 

Either way, the solution for the OP is to try different wrenches or sockets until they get them off, then replace them.  Cheaper tools are often oversize, and then there are expensive tools that grip the flats instead of the corners.


Edited by patbob, 05 April 2017 - 06:44 PM.


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Posted 06 April 2017 - 05:43 AM

My new theory:  error in the just in time inventory to the factory line.   For some reason, a new batch of lug nuts (possibly for another model built on the same line) arrived a tad early and one set of these different nuts were installed on one wheel of the OP's Energi.   Anybody remember the guy with the "SL" badged CMax?



#10 OFFLINE   ISU_Cyclone

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 12:57 PM

The carfax had a "minor rear end collision" on file. Could that be related somehow?

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 04:31 PM

Could be the one lug nut was replaced and wasn't machine right.
What year was the fusion spare from?
I need to get me a spare.

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 01:06 AM

It's all 5 lugs on one wheel.

And I believe it's a 2016 spare, not sure but it was brand new. Fits perfectly

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 06:10 AM

It's all 5 lugs on one wheel.

And I believe it's a 2016 spare, not sure but it was brand new. Fits perfectly

oh wow, thats interesting.  I wonder if maybe all 5 got replaced some how.   I member on my 13 escape when we had a flat tire the lug wrench that comes with the car was a bit too small and had to hammer it onto the lug nuts.

 

I'm looking at those spares, and they all seem to be listed as 13-16 fusion spares.  Might have to pick me one up.


Edited by Joshg678, 01 May 2017 - 06:11 AM.


#14 OFFLINE   kathi

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 03:41 PM

It's a whole thing - the lug nuts are apparently covered by aluminum caps that are swelling - especially from the heat.  I live in AZ - ALL of mine are having issues...  Only reason I found out was because I hit a curb and need a new tire (lol).  I split the sidewall so it is operable.  Took it to Sam's club and they couldn't service the vehicle because of the swollen lug nut caps.  Suggested I go to the dealer to buy steel lug nuts and replace them all.  Went to the dealer and the service and parts people seemed confused as if they'd never heard of it.  Quoted me $26 for new OEM steel lug nuts (didn't include the cost to remove/replace them - it was just for the part) - went the tire department to get a tire quote.  He is the one who explained that it is a thing impacting these cars but they have many different sizes of lug wrenches so they can sell me tires...  Took the quotes and went to shop around.  talked to someone at Costco about pricing who mentioned that there is a class action law suit against Ford because of the lug nuts issue...  https://www.carcompl...n-lawsuit.shtml I just came to the forum to see what tires everyone else was buying - but thought I'd share what I found out today about the lug nuts/caps swelling as well. 


Edited by kathi, 19 September 2017 - 03:45 PM.


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Posted 01 November 2017 - 12:09 PM

I have the same swelling problem.  Has anyone found inexpensive solid replacement lug nuts for CMAX OEM wheels?  The ones I've seen say not for oem wheels. From what I can see no one makes lug nuts that look like ours. headscratch.gif

 

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 08:32 AM

I heard back from eBay supplier and here is the lug nuts they recommend:https://www.ebay.com...1YXg-O&vxp=mtr 

 

These are the ones I want to buy:https://www.ebay.com...1JZIoJy&vxp=mtr  I can't see why they wouldn't work. :headscratch:

 

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Posted 10 November 2017 - 03:52 PM

I got my new lug nuts today from eBay Motors and they work fine. Here a picture comparison.Attached File  newlugnuts.jpg   105.88KB   0 downloads



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Posted 08 June 2018 - 10:30 AM

Hi all,

 

I tried just now to remove the passenger wheel to get at the windshield washer tank to clear a blockage.  I think because my garage is around 100 degrees here in Florida, my wheel nuts have expanded and I destroyed one of them as my lug wrench kept slipping off from not being on tight enough.  I would rather not have to drive all the way to the dealership tomorrow,  Does anyone know if a replacement nut can be bought online or at an autoparts store?  I'm going to google search a local mechanic that can probably unclog the water bottle or replace it.

 

I found this interesting quote on garage advisor when I was looking at the gorilla type lug wrench I have: The biggest drawback you might have with the Gorilla 1721 is with the socket sizes. Even though it is advertised as fitting all sizes, the included sockets are actually designed for standard American SAE sizes, not metrics. This means that you could scratch fancy lugs or round the corners on cheap ones. The solution is a simple one, but means you will need purchase extra parts. The sockets use a standard ½ inch drive connector, allowing you to replace the sockets with true metric sizes that fit the ones on your car more securely.

 

Looks Like i should invest in a 19mm socket and go at it again?


Edited by moore887, 08 June 2018 - 10:40 AM.


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Posted 09 June 2018 - 06:57 AM

If course, if you put the wrench on the lug nut and it rocks back and forth, its not the correct fit.  Try to get the right socket with a tighter fit before trying to unscrew it.  Usually means try the next smaller size in the other standard, whether metric or inch.

 

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 11:12 AM

Try a 19 mm if yours is 3/4-19mm. I agree.








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