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$630 to replace charger? Energi a waste of money

replacing fm5z-10b706-a ford

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#1 OFFLINE   bradleydad

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 08:06 AM

These FM5Z-10B706-A chargers fail. At $629, that wipes out any possible savings one might get from driving in electric mode.

When calculating the possible savings driving my plug in hybrid, no one mentioned this expense. Even aftermarket chargers are $500.









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#2 OFFLINE   bradleydad

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 08:13 AM

Actually list price of $860 and the part has been discontinued. How do I charge my Energi now?



#3 ONLINE   rbort

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 08:19 AM

Someone stole my charger a while ago, I bought another one off ebay for about $250.  What is wrong with your charger?

 

-=>Raja.


Edited by rbort, 23 February 2016 - 08:19 AM.

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#4 OFFLINE   RubyMax

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 08:22 AM

If you're gonna spend $600, you may as well get an EVSE that will work with 120V or 240V outlets, and reduce your charging time.

 

http://store.evsolut...0v120v-p28.aspx


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#5 OFFLINE   bro1999

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 08:24 AM

Actually list price of $860 and the part has been discontinued. How do I charge my Energi now?

Have you already approached your dealer? If you are within the bumper to bumper warranty period, a faulty charger should be covered.

 

If you are forced to purchase a new charging cord, I would recommend skipping the overpriced Ford unit and getting the equivalent 120v Clipper Creek charging cord that is only $395 (made in USA too with a 3 year warranty): http://www.clippercr...e-level-1-evse/

 

If you want dual 120v-240v charging, I would recommend the AV Turbocord. You can use it to charge from a regular 120v socket, or plug into a compatible 240v socket for L2 charging...currently on sale for $599: http://store.evsolut...0v120v-p28.aspx

If you use coupon code "KWYDRIVE25", you'll get another $25 off the price of the Turbocord.


Edited by bro1999, 23 February 2016 - 08:27 AM.

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#6 OFFLINE   fotomoto

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 09:02 AM

I'll assume you are past the 3yr/36k mile warranty that covers it.  See post # 11 below.  


Edited by fotomoto, 23 February 2016 - 09:18 AM.


#7 OFFLINE   Tom_NC_1

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 09:03 AM

Have you already approached your dealer? If you are within the bumper to bumper warranty period, a faulty charger should be covered.

 

If you are forced to purchase a new charging cord, I would recommend skipping the overpriced Ford unit and getting the equivalent 120v Clipper Creek charging cord that is only $395 (made in USA too with a 3 year warranty): http://www.clippercr...e-level-1-evse/

 

If you want dual 120v-240v charging, I would recommend the AV Turbocord. You can use it to charge from a regular 120v socket, or plug into a compatible 240v socket for L2 charging...currently on sale for $599: http://store.evsolut...0v120v-p28.aspx

If you use coupon code "KWYDRIVE25", you'll get another $25 off the price of the Turbocord.

 

I can confirm that when the charge cord provided with the car is defective it will be replaced under warrantee. My was replaced as soon as they confirmed it was defective. I was within the 36k mile warrantee period but since this is part of the HVB charging system I wonder if it might also be covered under the longer warrantee period for the high voltage components.

 

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#8 OFFLINE   fotomoto

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 09:16 AM

 since this is part of the HVB charging system I wonder if it might also be covered under the longer warrantee period for the high voltage components.

 

Interesting question!  So you got me to looking:  https://www.ford.com...-US_05_2014.pdf

 

and I found this on page 11 BOOM!  "The following plug-in-vehicle unique parts (if equipped) are covered during this extended coverage period: high-voltage battery packs, high-voltage charger, DC/DC convertor, electronic drive module assembly (includes electric motor and gearbox), transmission range sensor, and charge cord."     :happy feet:


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#9 OFFLINE   RubyMax

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 10:34 AM

The warranty for my 2013 states this:

So is it only covered for a Focus?  That makes no sense.

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Your vehicle’s unique hybrid / electric components are covered during
the Hybrid / Electric Unique Component Coverage, which lasts for eight
years or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs first.
The following hybrid parts are covered during this extended coverage
period: high-voltage battery, hybrid continuously variable transmission,
Inverter System Controller (ISC), DC/DC converter, high-voltage
battery connector, battery pack fan assembly, thermistor probe, Hybrid
Battery Pack Sensor Module (HBPSM), Battery Energy Control Module
(BECM), and the PHEV onboard charger.
The following Focus Electric unique parts are covered during this
extended coverage period: high-voltage battery packs, high voltage
charger, DC/DC convertor, Electric Drive Module Assembly (includes

electric motor and gearbox), trans range and charge cord'



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 11:21 AM

So is it only covered for a Focus?  That makes no sense.

 

Kind of does. In the Focus if your charge cord dies then you can't drive the car. In a PHEV you can still drive using gas. 



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 11:25 AM

The 2015 C-Max Energi Warranty states this:

 

The following plug-in-vehicle unique parts (if equipped) are covered
during this extended coverage period: high-voltage battery packs,
high-voltage charger, DC/DC convertor, electronic drive module
assembly (includes electric motor and gearbox), transmission range
sensor, and charge cord

 

I think they just corrected it



#12 OFFLINE   bro1999

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 11:25 AM

Interesting question!  So you got me to looking:  https://www.ford.com...-US_05_2014.pdf

 

and I found this on page 11 BOOM!  "The following plug-in-vehicle unique parts (if equipped) are covered during this extended coverage period: high-voltage battery packs, high-voltage charger, DC/DC convertor, electronic drive module assembly (includes electric motor and gearbox), transmission range sensor, and charge cord."     :happy feet:

 

Don't like this line (well, won't matter for me, but for you guys that purchased for the long haul):

 

Note: Lithium-Ion Battery Gradual Capacity Loss
The Lithium-ion battery (EV battery) will experience gradual
capacity loss with time and use (similar to all lithium-ion batteries),
which is considered normal wear and tear. Loss of battery capacity
due to or resulting from gradual capacity loss is NOT covered under
the New Vehicle Limited Warranty
. See your Owner’s Manual for
important tips on how to maximize the life and capacity of the
Lithium-ion battery.


Edited by bro1999, 23 February 2016 - 11:28 AM.


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Posted 23 February 2016 - 11:55 AM

The warranty for my 2013 states this:

So is it only covered for a Focus?  That makes no sense.

 

Yes that is a subtle difference there from the 2014 edition.  My guess is the 2013 edition was printed before the Energi twins were official (just a guess).  Anyway, the 8 yr/100k (10/150 if in a CARB state) is for "unique hybrid/electric components" which the cord certainly qualifies as a component that is unique from the powertrain section.



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 01:03 PM

Don't like this line (well, won't matter for me, but for you guys that purchased for the long haul):

 

Note: Lithium-Ion Battery Gradual Capacity Loss

 

Yeah, I've never liked that they don't define "gradual" but the Volt warranty has some funny business too:  "Your Volt battery warranty replacement may not return your vehicle to “as-new” condition, but it will make your Volt fully operational appropriate to its age and mileage."



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 01:20 PM

Yeah, I've never liked that they don't define "gradual" but the Volt warranty has some funny business too:  "Your Volt battery warranty replacement may not return your vehicle to “as-new” condition, but it will make your Volt fully operational appropriate to its age and mileage."

True...but at least GM gives a specific number (70% of original capacity) for their warranty. Ford hasn't published any numbers for what % capacity they guarantee during the 8 year warranty period.



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 02:18 PM

True...but at least GM gives a specific number (70% of original capacity) for their warranty. 

 

Yes but "appropriate for age/mileage" isn't a specific number either.   :headscratch:   Nissan also had major issues with their Leaf battery warranty so there's definitely a learning curve going on and with more and more hybrid/phev/bev entries coming to market the consumer can only benefit.


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#17 OFFLINE   Perry Knopp

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 05:02 PM

 So was it ever determined whether or not the charging cord is covered for a 2013? Mine works fine but it would be good to know.



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Posted 30 December 2016 - 08:47 AM

True...but at least GM gives a specific number (70% of original capacity) for their warranty. Ford hasn't published any numbers for what % capacity they guarantee during the 8 year warranty period.

Not only has Ford not published any number for %capacity under warranty, when challenged (as I did) they revert to a statement "that information is proprietary".  How can the terms of a warranty be proprietary ?!?!?! Makes it impossible to file a warranty claim as they will always state the loss of capacity you are experiencing is normal wear and tear and not within the terms of the warranty?  And what, you ask are the terms of the warranty??  "Who's on first?  Yes, Who is on first...."  (see Abbott and Costello for reference). 










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