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#21 OFFLINE   Paul

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Posted 09 August 2015 - 07:00 AM

I wish Ford would advertise it more. I'm loving mine. I'm not a hypermiler, but I can get to my normal destinations and back on a single charge. However, in the winter I don't run the heater unless my wife is too cold. After nine months, the tank still has dealer gas in it.

 

I'm about to do a 1500 mile road trip, without any recharging, and I'm expecting to get mid 40 mpg on the ICE. Packing luggage might be a challenge, but that's only an issue for me about once a year.

 

When Katrina hit, our area was without much gas for awhile. If that scenario ever happens again, I'm ready.









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Posted 09 August 2015 - 07:34 AM

Just a general thought. It is great that so many of you can go so long without using gas. There are downsides to this. Gas does deteriorate. If you don't keep the tank full, a lot of condensation can occur as well. At the same time, having a full tank means carrying around needless weight. Maybe some of you should have considered a pure electric instead and maybe just rented a car for the once in a blue moon trip you need to take beyond the range of something like an EV Focus.

 

So maybe if you are going to predominantly use only EV mode, maybe put a gas stabilizer in the tank. Or at least run an entire tank through it once in a while. Gasoline is very refined and the more volatile elements can evaporate over time. The less air tight the container is, the more likely this is to happen. I don't know how air tight the C-max is in this respect. 



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Posted 09 August 2015 - 09:34 AM

"I don't know how air tight the C-max is in this respect."

 

The C-Max Energi meets PZEV standards; that requires zero emissions from the fuel tank, which implies that it is close to completely air tight. Only during the refueling process is there much leakage into/out of the tank.
 



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Posted 09 August 2015 - 10:14 AM

The tank is pressurized on the Energi as well. The car also keeps track of fuel usage and will enter "Fuel Maintenance Mode" if it decides you need to burn the fuel and add new. I wouldn't mess around with stabilizer, just let the car do it's job.


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Posted 22 August 2015 - 08:09 AM

A salesman at my local dealer told me months ago that they weren't ordering any more C-Maxes, because they weren't selling. I asked why they C-Maxes are never in the advertisemtns, and he said it is becuase they don't sell. I asked him how many people he told about the C-Maxes, and he said none, because they don't sell.

 

I asked him how many C-Max owners have told hime that they love the car, and wouldn't hesitate to buy another one. He said every one he has talked to - the only complaint on the Energi is the lack of trunk space.

 

I asked him if he knew how I had decided on my C-Max Energi - he didn't know.

 

I told him it was becauase I had told a salesman I was considering a Prius, and after being shown the C-Max, and test driving it 4 times, I put a deposit on it. More room than my '04 Mitsubishi Outlander, phenomenal mileage( in ICE mode 3X the mileage of the Outlander), free connection at work, solar panels on my roof... I average between 2000 and 2500 miles per tank in the summer, and 500 miles per tank in the winter (when the temps stay below 20 farenheit, you ***need*** the heat!). On average for the year, my gasoline savings account for over half of my car payment. ( I graphed my first 3 months gas receipts with the Outlander at $2.499/ gallon vs first 6 month with the Energi, at $3.899/gallon... After 6 months I still hadn't paid as much for gas as I did in the first two months with the Mitsubishi!).

 

Yeah, the C-Max Energi is the best vehicle I have ever owned. Put that same technology in a Transit, and I'll buy one with no hesitation.


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Posted 27 August 2015 - 07:44 PM

I have always been a fan of the Ford compact from the Escort (surprisingly good stereo system back in the 80s) through the latest Focus (I think the Aspire/Expire was a bad dream).  The cars could take some abuse and kept on running similar to the Ranger trucks of last century.

 

The C-Max may not be the head turner of its class but I think it is the most comfortable to drive.  It also has more zip and is quieter than the ho hum Prius.  Trying to sell it to family and friends results in lots of head scratching  especially when making the comments like "I guess I had to buy gas this summer.  I was holding out until it was below $2 but I got thirsty one night and decided I might as well fill up when I went to the store for a coke."


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Posted 28 August 2015 - 07:46 AM

A salesman at my local dealer told me months ago that they weren't ordering any more C-Maxes, because they weren't selling. I asked why they C-Maxes are never in the advertisemtns, and he said it is becuase they don't sell. I asked him how many people he told about the C-Maxes, and he said none, because they don't sell.

 

I asked him how many C-Max owners have told hime that they love the car, and wouldn't hesitate to buy another one. He said every one he has talked to - the only complaint on the Energi is the lack of trunk space.

 

I asked him if he knew how I had decided on my C-Max Energi - he didn't know.

 

I told him it was becauase I had told a salesman I was considering a Prius, and after being shown the C-Max, and test driving it 4 times, I put a deposit on it. More room than my '04 Mitsubishi Outlander, phenomenal mileage( in ICE mode 3X the mileage of the Outlander), free connection at work, solar panels on my roof... I average between 2000 and 2500 miles per tank in the summer, and 500 miles per tank in the winter (when the temps stay below 20 farenheit, you ***need*** the heat!). On average for the year, my gasoline savings account for over half of my car payment. ( I graphed my first 3 months gas receipts with the Outlander at $2.499/ gallon vs first 6 month with the Energi, at $3.899/gallon... After 6 months I still hadn't paid as much for gas as I did in the first two months with the Mitsubishi!).

 

Yeah, the C-Max Energi is the best vehicle I have ever owned. Put that same technology in a Transit, and I'll buy one with no hesitation.

 

Unfortunately, I think Ford has damaged the C-Max name, with the multiple MPG downgrades doing the most damage. I would not be surprised at all if Ford drops the C-Max from the US lineup, and replaces it with another (possibly brand new) name when they introduce their 2nd gen plug-ins.



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Posted 28 August 2015 - 10:30 AM

Unfortunately, I think Ford has damaged the C-Max name, with the multiple MPG downgrades doing the most damage. I would not be surprised at all if Ford drops the C-Max from the US lineup, and replaces it with another (possibly brand new) name when they introduce their 2nd gen plug-ins.

 

 

I generally agree that an MPG fiasco such as we had with the C-Max can be extremely damaging to a nameplate or model designation, but the C-Max has had almost no marketing, and promotion, so realistically, nobody even knows what the heck a C-Max is.  Just ask your friends. :wink:   



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Posted 01 April 2016 - 03:07 AM

As a guy about to pop the trigger on a 14, my trepidation mainly comes from the fact that the Prius is bulletproof. Japanese cars normally are more reliable. The mpg fiasco weighs in a bit as well. Also to me, the car on the outside is kinda homely. Statements of parts scarcity, my history with poor Ford service centers also weigh in.
However, 20 plus miles on an electric charge and the fun of trying to squeeze out another electric mile and not having to go to the gas station constantly win me over.
I'm looking at a c max energi that has 2o- something k for 15 grand. This lack of the ford holding its value has me thinking I'm getting a great one.

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 11:57 AM

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I purchased an off lease 2013 NRG in December 2015 with just 10K miles, paid $19K. I consistently get 28-30 miles on a charge around town. I stay within 2-3 mph of the speed limit. Use EV Later whenever I enter the highway. I have driven almost 5K miles since acquiring and have a 98MPG overall average. I have put 60 gallons of gas in the car in that time that includes a 650 mile round trip from Phoenix to Las Vegas in one day. This tank of gas I have driven over 300 miles so far on about 1.2 gallons of gas. I charge mostly at night (.055/kwh) unless I need a refill during the day (.14/kwh). I have had no issues so far, one oil change at 12K, probably wasn't necessary, but didn't know previous owners use of the car. My vehicle before this was a 2009 MINI Cooper S Clubman. Repairs were starting to add up to the thousands and at 65K miles I gladly sold it and changed my entire driving style. I love this vehicle. Fit and finish great, technology great. I did purchase an Allstate extended warranty that mimics Ford warranty for 8years - 125K miles on odometer when my original runs out later this year. 

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Posted 11 April 2016 - 11:22 AM

My comparison is simple: with my 67-mile each way, 4 day/week commute, I was filling my 2011 Taurus 3 times per week (17 gallon tank), and I fill my C-MAX Energi once every ten days or so. For the three days during the week I'm not driving to the office, I rarely use *any* gasoline, regardless of how much local driving I do (even truer now that I got my Level 2 EVSE for the house). At the same time, I could set off in my C-MAX on a 600-mile round trip from Long Island to Washington DC last week with no charger available and still at least double my Taurus' overall fuel efficiency, while having plenty of power for full-speed highway stretches and on-ramps/lane changes. (That doesn't even mention the toll and other discounts I can get with the C-MAX.)

No range anxiety, tremendous range and usability. What's not to love?



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 11:27 AM

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Yeah, the C-Max Energi is the best vehicle I have ever owned. Put that same technology in a Transit, and I'll buy one with no hesitation.

 

I'm definitely spoiled when it comes to non-PHEV from now on. Very excited that so many new and announced vehicles, including Chrysler's revamped Pacifica minivan, offer a PHEV option. A minivan with the same 20+ miles on electric/hybrid mileage as my C-MAX? No brainer, big time. It is a surprise that Ford, which knows better than most manufacturers how to do a PHEV powertrain, is *not* leading in implementing PHEV across its line, and seems instead to be retreating from PHEV. {Jonathan}



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 11:34 AM

From the looks of Tesla's Model 3, the features and the price, no wonder they have so many deposits already!  250K+.

 

I still love my CMAX and will certainly never buy a pure ICE car again.  The upcoming minivan sounds promising.  Unless Ford has something cooking in hiding... they are going to loose on the PHEV/EV market!

 

Another thing.. Almost everyone I know who bought a CMAX did not pay MSRP.  I got almost $7K in discounts from the dealer, Ford, and Ford Credit, not to mention they financed the car at 0%. And they financed the total price!  AT ZERO INTEREST! over 60 months.

 

Why dont they drop the sales discounts and advertise an aggressive price! People may not show interest when they see the $34K MSRP, But put $28K on it, I bet there would be a lot more lookers/buyers.

 

With the Chevy BOLT and the Tesla Model 3 in the near future, Ford better come up with something, if they want a piece of the market.

 

My 2 cents....


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Posted 11 April 2016 - 11:39 AM

My comparison is simple: with my 67-mile each way, 4 day/week commute, I was filling my 2011 Taurus 3 times per week (17 gallon tank)

 

Wait, you're driving 536 (134x4) miles a week and consuming 51 (17x3) gallons of fuel with your Taurus?  That's like 10.5 mpg, horrendous, for a Taurus.



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Posted 11 April 2016 - 02:28 PM

Eric,

 

I'd say yes he's driving 536 miles to work, but he's also driving some miles on the weekend when not going to work.  Since he said within range of the Cmax battery, let's assume that's 21.3 miles a day which is reasonable for 1 full charge, so call it 600 miles a week (for easy math).

 

He did say he fills up the Taurus 3 times a week, but he has to fill it up before its out, because he doesn't want to go to work with not enough fuel to get there and back, so assume he's down to 1/4 tank when he fills it.  Now we're talking 12.75 gallons per fillup, x 3 = 38.25.

 

600/38.25 = 15.7 mpg on the taurus, still low (he might be driving more miles on the weekends), but more reasonable than 10mpg, I don't think any car gets that, only trucks towing a camper.

 

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 06:25 AM

If he is driving on the Long Island Expressway every day you will be burning more gas sitting still than moving. Most likely losing 1/4/ to 1/2 of his mileage not moving.



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Posted 20 May 2016 - 04:37 PM

Ford advertised C-Max on NPR for a while earlier this year (it's called underwriting on NPR I think) and what did they emphasize? Horsepower! Not exactly the way to attract NPR listeners to alternative technologies in an energy-saving, carbon-pollution-reducing vehicle that might actually interest them.

 

I don't think that's a bad selling point at all, it's a big part of why I bought one.  That plus the cargo space is why I didn't buy a Volt.

 

Ford probably still hates me, because I bought a used 2013.  So far, I really love it, but I've only had it for a week.



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Posted 07 August 2016 - 07:34 AM

"The highest sales of plug-in hybrids now come from Ford, whose Energi versions of its C-Max compact hatchback and Fusion mid-size sedan together have outsold Nissan for many months running, and in many months Chevrolet as well.

Contrary to the pattern over the last several months, Fusion Energi sales fell to 1,341 while the C-Max Energi logged 755 deliveries, which was narrowly its best month since way back in August 2014."

 

http://www.greencarr...-strong-numbers

 

"USA Electric Car Sales up 48% in July"

 

http://cleantechnica...-sales-48-july/

 

The layoffs in Michigan may have had less to do with sales and more to do with wanting to save cost by moving production to Mexico.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 07:20 AM

In my opinion, Ford does not advertise the C-Max because it is not that profitable. They make lots of money on their trucks and SUVs, but the additional costs of the hybrid and larger HVB means they don't really want to sell any more than they have to for CARB reasons. And they can upsell the Fusion because folks are already shopping for that car.

 

I would not be that surprised if the C-Max is not replaced with a PHEV. I think they will emphasize the Fusion and their new model E.

 

My lease is up next year. I may lease another if it doesn't make sense to buy out at the end (which is likely - Ford doesn't negotiate buy out prices, and the C-Max has been reselling very low). I won't mind having an end of model car - this is one of the best cars I've ever owned. Only thing I'd miss with a new one is the color (Ice Storm, no longer made), and the Carpool stickers (no longer available).


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 07:29 AM


I would not be that surprised if the C-Max is not replaced with a PHEV. I think they will emphasize the Fusion and their new model E.

 

I would be very surprised if Ford did not continue the PHEV in as many form factors (including the C-MAX, more practical than the Fusion), since essentially every other manufacturer is creating or expanding its PHEV power train offerings, generally as an option in its standard models (e.g. Chrysler's new Pacifica minivan, Hyundai's Elantra, and many others). I would expect, though, that Ford spends more time on battery shape and location in future models, making the PHEV option less of a tradeoff in terms of storage space than in the current C-MAX. For that matter, I would more expect Ford (and others) to drop their non-PHEV hybrids, since the gov't incentives for non-PHEV hybrids are largely gone, PHEVs act as hybrids once the high-capacity battery is depleted, and the manufacturers don't get nearly the boost for their fleet mileage averages from hybrids as they do from PHEVs. {Jonathan}










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